Biohacking & Human Optimization for Beginners

On this episode of the Epoch Podcast we discuss some of the ins and outs of biohacking and some of our personal experience with human optimization. What’s safe? What are some of the best things you can start with? What are some of the things to be careful with? Find out in this conversation worth having!

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Topics we get into:

  • Definition of biohacking and different classifications of biohacking – grinder, nutrigenomics, energy work
  • Human optimization
  • The pharmaceutical industry
  • Self-experimentation and being fined
  • Vaccinations
  • Antibiotics
  • Creating stacks
  • Filling your own capsules to dramatically lower costs
  • Reasons for biohacking
  • Some of the things Matt uses and the benefits he experiences
  • The importance of self-awareness for experimentation
  • The prevalence of microdosing in Silicon Valley
  • Crazy effects of binaural beats
  • Muscle testing
  • The problem of nutrition when food is less nutritious, and widely varying qualities of ingredients
  • allopathic
  • Lymph node massage and toxin clearing method
  • Orthorexia
  • Cold showers – brown adipose tissue
  • Matt got kicked out of the Wim Hof Facebook group
  • Infrared sauna – heat shock proteins
  • Neurobics and crossing midlines
  • Whole-brain posture technique
  • Easy biohacking methods to get started
  • Matt’s biohacking testimony of getting rid of 14-year knee pain
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Matt 0:50
And this week, we are talking about biohacking. And just from a little bit of you know, before recording time talk that we had looks like we’ve got a lot of different directions that we’re going so just you know, a little context on my hook I was talking about majoring in the majors, minoring in the minors, you know, really focusing on the big things that are gonna make the biggest amount of difference. And then, you know, there’s there’s so many different ways you can go. But it’s easy to get caught in spending all your time focusing on the little things that are going to yield, not too much benefit, not that they’re not that they’re benefit-less. But they might not be as worth much as worth as much as maybe getting better sleep, getting more sleep or eating properly. So I know Austin, you talked about finding the five categories about

Austin 1:42
Yes, defining biohacking. I googled it, of course, and like the definition The dictionary definition came up with I gotta read this this hilarious “biohacking is the activity of exploiting genetic material experimentally, without regard to accepted ethical standards or for criminal purposes.”

Jen 2:00
Wow. That’s harsh.

Austin 2:03
That’s not what we’re doing a podcast about. Yeah, so that’s Google’s top result in the dictionary result, you know how it lays those out.

Matt 2:13
They really focus on the hacking part in a negative way there.

Austin 2:19
So no, according to Wikipedia, and I do like this, you know, from what I know of the biohacking community and just kind of the subject itself. There’s kind of do it yourself biology, where it’s bio technical social movement, and which individuals and small organizations study biology using the same methods as traditional research institutions. So you can get kind of that kind of throws in like I know Tom Bilyue has a company you know that that does these this research on the bars that they do? I can’t think of the name of it.

Matt 2:48

Austin 2:49
Quest, thank you Quest Nutrition. So kind of that do-it-yourself. Not that I mean, he’s a larger company, but when they started it was a small group of dudes doing this testing on different nutrition. Then you get the grinder biohacking, which is people who alter their own bodies by implanting Do It Yourself cybernetic devices, or kind of that Cyborg implantation. They have a generic category for self experimentation in medicine. And that’s essentially all other forms of self experimentation that don’t fit into these other four. The third one, or the fourth one is new nutrigenomics.

Christina 3:27

Austin 3:29
Using nutrition to hack the and take control of the human biology, which I think I know Matt, as a lot of what you’ve kind of done, and that’s becoming more and more kind of what I believe to be the generally accepted definition of biohacking is kind of using nutrition. And then the last one, the fifth one they would say is quantified self measure, measuring verify various biomarkers and behaviors to try to optimize health, which then towards you would get into sleep. And other things, again, that you mentioned. And I would personally and I’m not going to go there. But I would personally add a sixth category. And I would call it energy work. You know, dealing with beliefs and emotions and stuff that is also to me a very, very real way to hack your biology, hence Bruce Lipton, the Biology of Belief, you know, its energy workers like that. So I would say there’s six categories. Wikipedia says there’s five, but in general, the overall idea seems to be what can you do in life to enhance your physical or your biology, your experience of being and improve different elements of whatever is or is not important to you? But it’s pretty generic, but it’s seems to be a term that is still finding its definition in our world.

Matt 4:49
Certainly, and I think some of those categories are definitely like far more hardcore hardcore than I would definitely think. But the things that I’ve delving into. If I could speak today. I can break it down into two words, just human optimization. I think it doesn’t mean, yes, there are definitely categories where it gets far more intense, where people are doing some things that should maybe be only done in, you know, under, you know, supervision and in hospitals and such, but not necessarily I mean, people are, are really fighting for their rights out there.

I’m gonna zing one in here. Because that, that is a that’s one of the things that I was very curious about, especially in regards to the the experimentation part. Um, I know, you said it was optimization, but I feel like, or from what I went up from what I saw, it wasn’t just that, I mean, like, there were there are people that are trying to do like open source cancer treatments, or open source aids treats, treatments and stuff like that. So I mean, I guess you could go and say, you know, it’s a little bit further than optimization. But the whole open source part is, they’re doing all this testing on their own. Like, the one I watched this very short documentary about this dude. And, you know, it was kind of funny, because they, it was a, it was a company that was trying small company, and this one dude, he looked like a total sleazeball. But he was he owned most of the company, and he was working with, with the lab, tech guy from the University of Washington, but you know, there were in this small building, and then they ended up fighting with each other. And so the poor guy that was like the test subject that had AIDS and had stopped taking his treatment kind of was kinda like SOL, you know, but, but the, quote unquote, moral quandary is there, you know, does this if somebody is willing to subject themselves to test out this drug to test out this treatment? You know, where, or to bio hack, where, where does this land in as far as like, the government, the FDA, the whatever, you know, we we’ve heard, I mean, the topic du jour here has been vaccines, vaccinations? Isn’t it? Basically, very similarly, around the same vein of things.

Jen 7:44
I mean, I think it depends because there’s a difference between, you know, a contagious disease and something that’s not contagious, and I think that’s where the public will, you’ll find the biggest outlying so if I’m walking around with measles, and I cough on you, you’re going to get sick. But if I’m walking around with cancer, I’m not going to pass the cancer to you. So how I affect those how I treat those things or look different, I think in society. I think for me personally, at the end of the day, it’s it’s a choice thing, like, you have the choice to go to the hospital and seek medical treatment, or you have the choice to go to a shamaan the woods and drink something.

Christina 8:24
Well, even worse, I actually ran across a guy who was I don’t know if I forget exactly. I wasn’t putting this in my notes. But bringing to memory that. I don’t know if he was just fined, or if he was arrested, I forget exactly. But he was he was having to go to court. And there was a $10,000 amount there for something. And he was they were charging him with practicing medicine without a license. But all he did was experiment on himself.

David 8:53
Well, we’ll see. So go ahead

Christina 8:57
it wasn’t even like a huge deal, whatever he was that he did out. But I was like, ohhkay?

David 9:02
okay, okay, so, but But the thing that happens here is when you mess with medicine, when you mess with the human body, or whatever, if if they don’t really understand what they’re doing, who’s to say that they wouldn’t be able to make a super bug or accidentally, you know, modify some sort of gene or whatever that would become contagious?

Christina 9:29
I mean, how did we get all the medicine we have now like as people experimenting, so like,

Austin 9:34
This is they just call it a drug trial and error, they still kill people…

David 9:40
Well, don’t you remember, when we were watching that John Adams thing, and they had the and they all had they all got vaccinated, but the way they did it was, you know, the doctor goes out and there was a poor kid in the cart with smallpox and scraped off his one of his boils and, you know, gave it and he he made it. He made a cut. Right, then he put that stuff from the boil in the cut. And that’s how the that’s how vaccines started. I mean,

Christina 10:10
Well, I don’t know if that’s exactly how they started. That was the Yeah, that was the beginning of all vaccine. I mean, it wasn’t a documentary on vaccination.

David 10:18
No, but

Jen 10:22
Giving yourself the virus to a healthy person to have the antibodies to come up with a formula or?

David 10:31
And yeah, I mean, that you give a weakened state of the disease to work, or at least that’s how they used to be I don’t think I think now it’s they’re all synthetic. So it’s kind of, at least in that sense of the word is kind of different. The ones I think the mainstream ones aren’t it synthetic. I thought they were.

Austin 10:52
I think for the sake of this podcast, we need to kind of bring in what it is that we’re defining as biohacking and because you do I mean, yeah, I mean, pharmaceuticals, those are the original bio hack, right. You know, vaccines are using, using this weakened form of a disease to to hack your body into being able to fight it off, like, so biohacking is really, you know, in so many ways, it’s medicine. It’s, it’s very broad. So I do think I do agree that you know, it is people are using biohacking, if you will to try to cure cancer. They’re using biohacking to try to cure ya know… In that case. Yeah, I mean, that gets super broad. So maybe we do focusing on the human optimization part. Just because there is there is a different motivation there. There’s a different world there. I think about and then there’s even then there’s things that kind of cross the like, cross both sides, such as, you know, the raw milk movement, this idea that I’m going to do this because it’s got enzymes for me, and it’s got different, you know, things for my body, my my gut biome, and it’s going to make me better. And so are you trying to cure asthma and stuff like that, like some of the stuff that’s out there? Are you trying, you know, so there’s even things down the middle that don’t really it’s a really broad discussion I didn’t really think about until we started talking about it.

Christina 12:16
I totally did not realize how broad it was. When I first like my in my mind, biohacking was connected to like Tim Ferriss, because I had, he did all sorts of random crazy stuff to himself. And that to me, was biohacking until I started looking into the definitions like you did. And I was like, oh, wow, pretty much everything is biohacking. If you just like, measure it and see how it goes.

David 12:41
So let’s get it on track. And I’m going to ask you, Matt. So what, um, what criteria Do you use when you decide to try something?

Christina 12:53
Yeah, I’m curious.

Matt 12:54
Well, I, if I’m trying something new, that I need to make sure that I’m not kind of that I don’t have a bunch of variables floating around already, because one of the things that when you get into the nutrition side of biohacking is you realize that you can add things together and create stacks. And so for example, I might have alpha GPC, which is a choline that’s able to pass the blood, the blood brain barrier. And then if I combine that with something else, I combine it with Hooperzine A, which is good at preserving it and preventing breakdown, then that that’s the beginning of a stack. And then maybe I can even add arrestin to that. So I add maybe something called new paths, which is an extremely potent molecule that encourages the uptake of choline in the brain. And it’s also neuroprotective. It’s a really cool little molecule created in the in the 90s. And all of a sudden, I had this stack of these things that are working together in sync, I can add other arrestins to the stack, and people will expect agreement with them. And it might cause just, you know, on its own, arrestin might alter your mood, whereas in a stack, it might, might not. Or maybe it makes you grumpy, and maybe it makes you have really good memory, it depends on how you use it. So making sure that you’re starting with not a ton of variables, I think is really important. And then I I will say I’ve been doing this for about five years or so. And I’m definitely not like hardcore about it. I mean, I mean, maybe there might be some disagreement there in the sense that I will make capsules

Austin 14:40
During Bible study in the basement.

Matt 14:42
Right? Or now that is not now it’s online. And I’ll just do it right in front the computer. It’s super nice. I don’t think I could get away with doing that in a pew.

Austin 14:53
Pretty much everything you used was white powder.

Matt 15:01
But I don’t know, that’s that’s where I start making sure that I’m not combining more things than I think I am. And then you got to give yourself a like a long enough trial at some things depend on like, How long has it had to build up in your system? Or just you know, as you does your body develop a tolerance, it depends on what you’re doing.

Austin 15:22
What’s your primary goal?

Matt 15:25
For me, it’s that increased performance. So what

Austin 15:31
Your body, your sex drive your creativity.

I mean, beyond taking zinc, I don’t think I’ve done anything to maybe enhance my sex drive. But

Jen 15:46
I was saying yes to all of it.

Matt 15:52
Yes. get better at sex.

Jen 15:58
That’s different.

Matt 16:03
So going back a long ways on this one. But that’s kind of the beginning of my journey for just a quick overview. I had been, I’d watched the movie Limitless with Bradley Cooper, but it’s like a 2011 movie. I had heard Joe Rogan talk about a company that he promotes on it, and their supplement Alpha Brain. And I’d heard it long enough and been encouraged just to go for it. At some point. I don’t know what the jumping off point was. But I bought a bottle of Alpha Brain and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The only downside was is that it was $70. And it wasn’t a ton in the way of, of doses there. I was also interested in lucid dreaming at the time, and I would you know, time the dosage that it would improve lucid dreaming. And it did. It was super cool. However, where my real journey in bio hacking began is when I was all right, I can’t afford this. Like we were starting epic nation ministries at the time, I was basically not bringing in any income. And so I was looking at the active ingredients. And I began diving into the internet and trying to find out how I could replicate, you know, find the active ingredients that were providing the effects that I liked and really double down on those. And not only was able to break those down, but then I was able to find ways to buy bulk powders of those. And so that’s why you guys would see me maybe making capsules, because it’s really much less expensive. Well, you can start adding the price per pill up. If you really get into biohacking and you’re taking this pill, it’s 30 cents a day. This this one you take two, but it’s 15 cents apiece. You know, this one’s $1 whatever. Like, all of a sudden you’re like I’m taking like $6 and pills a day. That’s that’s a that’s not sustainable for you know, $180 a month on no, no income not super sustainable. Like a friend of ours was was selling plasma on to like, invest in his biohacking. Remember, Steve? Yeah. And so that was where I really got into it. That’s where I found new pet new path was like, that blew my mind. That was that was one that just takes such a small amount, but you add it to the little things that are in Alpha Brain. And

Christina 18:25
I love how you mention all of these different random supplements or whatever it is, and I have to go looking them up to put them in the show notes. And I’m like, what? Have to try to figure out different ways to spell.

Matt 18:39
Sure, sure. So I’ll start off with saying is I’m not a medical expert. I’m not a doctor. All right. All right. I don’t think any of us are new pet

Austin 18:48
Last I checked.

Matt 18:51
Get the honorary doctorate in the mail yet. Noopept is spelled NOOPEPT. And Gosh, yeah. And when combined with you know, choline and Hooperzine A, like, it really allows me to recall information at a much faster pace allows me to focus at a higher level. My own like probably my biggest struggle, when I’m using these stacks, is that is to not develop the mentality that says, I need this, I am not enough without this. That’s, that’s, that’s the biggest thing here. Like I and I, when I started working on my private pilot’s license, I would find that when I took this stuff, it really helped me in the air with the multitasking, I was able to recall, you know, all the all the steps that I needed to do, even though you’re supposed to work with a checklist, you know, and just work your way down the checklist. Oftentimes, I would like, just forget about my checklist all together and just try to work through the steps like an idiot, and kind of get a little lost. And so when I would, you know, be, I guess, dosed up for the day, it was definitely easier to go through the steps and and learn that whole process is that that’s definitely a place where I found it. Beyond that, I think, chemically, I think anybody who’s like a serious athlete does a bit of biohacking. In the sense maybe they dive into creatine maybe, they dive into acido l’carnitine, which is a really cool supplement. I was just writing about today, I found it unfortunately, when I was a poor Private First Class in the Marine Corps, and it was like 30 pills for $35. But I remember the first time I took that stuff, I was I went out for a soccer game, I was playing on base. And I was like, I can see better right now. Like I like my vision was it was acutely better. And I felt like I was just a little more a little more nimble. Now, how much of this is psychosomatic? I don’t know, you know, how much was this? How much of it is placebo, I don’t know, I just knew that that that particular supplement had a really high grade for, you know, being like, actually useful. Whereas like so many things are promoted, very few of them are actually actually useful. Whereas, you know, acido l’carnitine today or al car al car, today, you can buy it incredibly cheap, especially if you are willing to put in capsules yourself. So

Christina 21:39
I’m curious, do you ever do any blood testing or anything when you’re doing your experiments? Or do you just go based off of how you feel or

Matt 21:46
I am just taking notes on how I feel. So I’ve never, never made myself bleed to throw it under a microscope or throw it into a kit to test everything.

Austin 21:56
So how self-aware Do you need to be?

Matt 22:00
Like self awareness is? I mean, really important. Maybe the thing that came to mind when you said that though, is like discipline you need need to be disciplined about it, and you can’t be the person who’s going to be getting carried like, with an addictive personality. You can’t be the person who’s just gonna say, Oh, this works so I’m gonna take more of it. Oh, this works, so I’m gonna take more of it. I mean, that like,

David 22:24
like more dosage?

Matt 22:25
Yeah, yeah, like, I mean, one of the great new tropic is caffeine. And it’s, it’s, you know, something that all of us are, are very familiar with. We all know, if you take too much caffeine, it goes beyond being useful and becomes a pain in the ass. You feel jittery if you stick sick to your stomach. You give it to kids, they go nuts. Yeah, get all hopped up on Mountain Dew and throw grandpa’s medals off a bridge. Whatever. This is Ricky Bobby’s kids did that one.

Austin 23:04
Nootropics, define that?

Matt 23:06
Um, gosh. Uh,

Austin 23:09
so what mental?

Matt 23:11
brain supplement I guess Yes,

Christina 23:13
Yeah it’s for cognitive function.

Austin 23:15
Yeah. Okay. Sure.

David 23:18
So do you have like a, you know, I have a crap ton of work to do one. And I’m going to take this to help me get through it. I watched a documentary on the BBC. BBC documentary sorry about this one in let me see what it is. Crap.

Matt 23:38
Modafinil or

David 23:39
Yeah, yeah that one.

Matt 23:42
Right on. So Modafinil like a hardcore one that a lot of people will recognize it’s prescribed.

David 23:47
Oh really?

Matt 23:47
yeah, people will go out of their way to acquire it. And so some people will get in trouble with it. It’s definitely one of those. It doesn’t have a long track record. But it works. Like I don’t think there’s any way of getting around saying it works. It’s just like, I think doctors might use it for shift work, it helps people stay alert and ready to engage. But I mean, well, and this may be might be unfair to modafinil. But when I think about that, it just makes you think about like, Adderall and Ritalin. Just things that people will use that are prescribed are I mean, was it I think Adderall, how close is it to meth?

David 24:33
But I looked it up on Amazon, and there were a bunch of supplements that had Modafinil in them, or I don’t even I just, yeah…

Matt 24:41
I might be out of date. Maybe it’s a look it up. or

Jen 24:44
Looking that up…

Christina 24:46
Or maybe that’s just allowed in really tiny, small doses.

David 24:49
Yeah, maybe it’s microdosing or something like that.

Austin 24:52
Okay, micro dosing. Explain that, David.

David 24:55
No. Matt? Isn’t it isn’t it? Just giving yourself tiny bits of whatever?

Matt 25:06
Well, I mean, the microdosing that I’m familiar with would be like LSD. Yeah. And so people will take like a hundredth of the dose of some of LSD. So the idea is not to be, you know, tripping out of your mind, but to be like, a fraction, altered and altered, kind of shows up as being more creative, more, you know, ready to do something different.

Austin 25:31
That’s a big deal in the Silicon Valley, that’s known the Silicon Valley. So, look, if you’re not a programmer, you don’t know a lot about computers, then you you may not realize, you know, how mental obviously, programming is it is it is a combination of math, you know, art, and obviously, logic, like programming requires a, you know, a heaping ton of mental acuity. And so programmers have been trying to bio hack their ability to program, tighter programs, cleaner programs, faster programs, better code, you know, it’s no different than an author that what’s the difference between, you know, your, your, you know, second grade, or I don’t know, fifth grade child and freakin, you know, Ernest Hemingway. Like, there’s a difference in the quality of authorship, right? And so programming, people kind of think it’s very just like, well, math is math. Well, yeah. But programming is more than that there is there is a lot of that personality of the intelligence of the individual that goes into it. And so micro dosing LSD I know is one of the things that is popular in, in, in Silicon Valley. And other thing is, is, I’m actually very familiar with something called Ballmer’s Peak, which, believe it, I can’t remember the first guy’s name, but he was one of the main programs for Apple years ago, and he would on weekends he would, while he would work, he would drink. And he noticed that he would hit this point with his drinking, that he, his code would just get insanely good and clear and quick and fast. And he started to track it. And he started to realize there was this point that he knew how many ounces he needed, you know, and he knew when to stop and when to stay at that peak point where he could code for hours, and like crush it, and things he couldn’t figure out all week, he’d figure out in 30 minutes, things he didn’t know how to do, he would figure it out. And he realized that, you know, so even alcohol kind of got him to this to a certain measure of lucidness to where his code just got super clear and super pristine. And then of course, you know, one more drink and boom, it would just drop through the floor. So but you know, so yeah, hack biohacking in the computer, or the programming industry, is there’s multiple ways and yeah, micro dosing, Ballmer’s Peak and other things. It’s, it’s a, it’s a big deal in the industry.

Matt 28:04
Well, sure. I mean, Modafinil like David was talking about, like, that’s definitely used. I know, there’s, I think there’s a video about a guy that’s going through a boot camp, a programming boot camp, and he was like, he’s like, I really enjoyed it. But to keep up with everybody, like, I felt like I had to work, you know, twice as hard and twice as long. So I was looking for an edge, and Modafinil provided the edge that allowed me to stay up and just get these lines of code out. Because not only are you trying to do all this stuff, but you’re trying to get volume of it done, too. So being able to go for long periods of time is definitely a perk, something I found that was really helpful. For me, when I was going through school, being able to jam through online lectures was not something that you take in but something that you you listen to, and it was a binaural beats. And the really cool thing was is I was able to listen to I had this macro economics class, or no environmental economics class, I know which one it was. That was broken up into into like four quarters, and I was able, so that the whole semester is broken into four quarters, I was able to listen to basically half the semester in one session. Because I put the speed on double speed. And I listened to binaural beats at the same time. The binaural beats helped me focus and elevated my mood. And I was able to jam through that whole thing and just take two tests, like too many too many exams in the same evening. It was it was wild.

David 29:41
Yeah, I do have Brain FM. And the work one when they have stuff to do in, like, really need to concert, concentrate and stuff. It’s it’s almost weird, though. Like, it’s almost weird, because when you’re done, you almost feel like you were like super hopped up on caffeine or just like you’re almost jittery. And you were just listening to things. And it says it lasts like, I don’t know, hours after you. You have a session with it, you know?

Matt 30:19
Yeah, I haven’t paid attention to how long they last I think I paid attention to is when they start like I can almost feel it, when it kicks in.

Austin 30:27
How does binaural beats work?

Matt 30:28
So you’re getting you need stereo headphones, because you’re getting two different frequencies, one through each ear. And then your brains going to modulate the third frequency. And that is going to put you either in, if you wanted to focus on we have some alpha brainwaves coming through, cool, you can do that. You want theta waves, cool. We can do that. You want delta waves for deep sleep, and dreams. Cool. We can do that. So people use theta for like, meditation, maybe falling asleep. And then yeah I guess you said the other two. So nobody ever I don’t know if anybody ever works for to get beta waves. But

Jen 31:06
I will say like my hook of the beginning was there’s an art and science to biohacking. And I know one time you had me listen to the beats. And I was like, I can’t listen to this, this is annoying the heck out of me, I want to all I hear is this one really annoying beat. And so what works for one person doesn’t work for all and maybe it was just that, that sequence of things or whatever that I was listening to. But so if you’re listening to this, and you’re like, I’m going to try this and I wanted to try that and you’re not getting the same results. It’s because it’s an art form, as well as a science and finding what works for you personally, because we all bring different things to the table.

David 31:46
There are some on brain Brain FM, some styles, music that are annoying as heck.

Jen 31:53
it was I tried so hard

David 31:55
study kind in there, like oh my word this is so boring sounding or whatever. And, you know, I like to listen to music when I work. Sometimes I can get into a groove with that. But like, yeah, so there’s certain ones that I like to listen to with that certain styles.

Matt 32:17
Just to double down on what Jen was saying that that individual experimentation is so required even go back to the very beginning, we were talking about things you’re stacking that you’re taking in, like somebody’s stack might work perfectly for them, and then you go ahead and try that same stack and it makes you feel horrible, and your brain feels foggy. And, you know, you’re just regretting it all day. So it definitely depends on the individual and how you’re wired in your receptors, how they’re picking things up, and how that might come down to the your gut biome, like Austin mentioned earlier, like, there’s so many individual factors that you have to take in.

Austin 32:52
It’s the same with it’s the same with clinical trials and drugs, you know, Side effects may include, like, it’s, it’s, it is not like organic things are not to be treated like mechanic things. Right, you know, if you if the water you know, the the fuel pump on your vehicle goes out, you just go find another fuel pump and put it back in. You know, there’s a reason that if you need a heart transplant, you need people with the right blood type. And you people know that the by the organic biology of each individual person is, is customized and organic systems. You cannot just copy paste. Oh, this worked for you. So that will work for me. By all means.

Christina 33:36
So question have has anyone any of you guys tried muscle testing to see? What what might work before having to try it, like, ingest it? No.

Jen 33:51
I think for me, and what I use the most is just that feeling just or that that feeling or that thought is a stronger communicator for me then muscle testing, I still muscle test and stuff, but it’s my go to is like, I need to do this. And if I think the next day, I still need to do this. And then a week from now, I still need to do this. And three weeks from now, I haven’t done it yet. But I need to do it like that’s my communicator, as what to try and what not to try. Or even kind of what Austin was talking about earlier, like knowing yourself like, I’m having these symptoms, and I want to resolve them. But I don’t want to go to the doctor to take some kind of dosage of whatever, I’m going to do an organic thing. And oh, if I take magnesium, it’s going to help me sleep better, and I’m going to function better, I’m gonna have less depression and my menstrual cycles going to be awesome. Like, those are the things I’m looking for to enhance my biology. So

Matt 34:46
I’ve never done muscle testing for that purpose. But I think I’ve never, I haven’t given muscle testing its due in recent years. Like it’s way more powerful than I give it credit for. Is there is there any biohacking that you guys have done like me? Is there any one thing? They’re like, Oh, this is this is it like this, everybody has tried this thing?

Austin 35:13
I know for me, I’ll keep it. Because we, oh my gosh, we may should, you know we should do an episode on energy work. Right as a whole, because we all are familiar with it in different forms. Write it down, it’s an idea. But by and large for me as a biohacking tool, using energy work, and specifically, Psych-K Emotion Code, Body Code, there’s different modalities that if you’re not familiar with the fact that your life is a perfect reflection of your beliefs, and your emotions, you know, just check out the Biology of Belief. There’s another one, there’s, there’s more and more, you know, Dr. Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton. Oh, man, the Intention Experiment by I can’t remember her name. You got Dr. Carolyn Leaf, who talks about the you know, your beliefs and your brain, I mean that, like there’s, there’s more and more and more proof coming out that what you believe, and the emotions you carry, are highly, highly influential on your biological reality. And, I mean, we all know it on a very simple level, stress, right emotional stress. Some people deal with emotional stress, and it can help them mature and it can, you know, improve their, their, you know, physical appearance by, I’m stressed out, so I’m going to, I’m going to go run and I’m gonna, you know, all sudden, like how you deal with stress, you can actually hack your body, you know, using an emotional energy, or vice vice versa, you can hack your body in the negative, you know, go smoking, drinking, and get high all the time, because you’re stressed and you don’t know how to deal with it, and you can your it’s still hacking your body. So, you know, in many ways, you know, you want to get to the root of some of this stuff, deal with your, the energy, your beliefs, your emotions. And on top of that, I mean, we all know, one of my favorite examples of the fact that you have a, you’re not just a physical body, you are a spirit that houses a soul and a body. And one of the things we’re all kind of familiar with, if you’ve ever been standing in a concert, or in a in a restaurant or something and you feel somebody looking at you. And then you turn over and you see Oh, we have this certain, certainly we’re looking at you. Your body is not just the physical, your existence is bigger than your physical body. And therefore again, if you want to hack, your body bio hack, then address the answer energetic realities. You know, you have a personal bubble. You ever had that weird, creepy dude stand next to you in the grocery line? You’re like, dude, you’re in my space, like, get out of my space? What are you talking about? It’s not your space you have they are touching your body. But yet they’re inside of your energetic existence. That, again, if you want to, you know, that is my go to, is I believe, because everything is energy, even even at its core, all of these nootropics, you’re talking about all of these supplements, they’re still energetic, right, they carry a frequency into our bodies, and they still get broken down into something energetic and we know that quantum physics tells us so for me, the ultimate bio hack is energy work. And I do you know, I saw you write it down. Christina, I do think we should do an episode on energy work, I think would be great. But that is my go to specifically Psyche-K and Emotion Code. And I’ve I’ve developed a little bit more comprehensive system for myself, called Belief IQ even have a website, still being built for the most part, but it looks great. And and it’s a modality that I am, I’m kind of designing as the ultimate bio hack, in my humble opinion. But again, that’s how do you do biohacking. He’s almost anything at this point. But that is my that’s my, and that’s one of my articles on too, by the way. So check it out.

Christina 39:25
Well, it’s kind of funny to think about it in that way, because energy work could be very expensive. But if you think about not having to take all these supplements forever, like it is kind of, I don’t know, a hack, a hack of biohacking, maybe?

David 39:43
A bio hack hack. The thing, the thing that was kind of hitting me while you were talking, Austin, was like, you know, I’m the cementing in my mind, how much of an art it is, because I was thinking while you were talking, I was like, well, I bet you could probably bio hack or chemical bio chemistry bio hack, in order to improve your energy. Because I mean, a lot of the energy work is how you view yourself. If you have I guess, I think you were saying something about magnesium that makes you less depressed or whatever, or that can have that effect? Well, if if you take magnesium, and you have a more positive outlook on yourself on life, then you automatically raise your energy level. So I mean, it is an art there you can you could do energy work and take some of this stuff to enhance things and, you know, all that stuff, it sounds like man, you know, hey, it is an art, you kind of have to have some sort of ability or way of testing things out and seeing what works best for you and in and how to enhance your results and stuff like that. So I think they’re interesting thought there.

Austin 41:07
There is a modality out there that’s called Body Code that does combine these two, it combines energy work and biohacking. So it actually leads you to like, Hey, you need this supplement. And you need to address this belief, you need to you need to release this trapped emotion. And you need to start eating bananas, you know, I like it will actually, oh, you need to actually start doing this stretch, or you need to go over like it, it takes its Body Code. I’ve really, really want to get certified in it. It’s just expensive. And I haven’t had the money. But yeah, there are there is a really cool, really cool, I’ve seen it do amazing things. I have a friend who couldn’t get pregnant for years and years and years went and did one session of Body Code. That thing led to a Mayan massage therapy. And now they have three children. Like within within a month she was pregnant stayed pregnant, could not be pregnant for like 12 years. And Body Code fixed that like now the Body Code said no, go over here and get this Vigo Mayan massage and did something with her, like her uterus was was off kilter. And so there was a massage therapy thing. So the energy work led to, you know, actual physical therapy. And it could I think there was also a couple of supplements she needed to take. So it is all intertwined. And it is you’re right. It’s totally an art. And it is totally a you know, you have and there’s an awareness requirement that I think cannot be overstated. That’s why I asked earlier, Matt, like how well where do you have to be because because a lot of people are like, well, I just been taking these pills The doctor told me to really how do they are you doing with that? Like? Well, I don’t know, I guess I still feel shitty and nothing’s really changed. But you know it cost me $300 a month…

David 41:50
My feet turned purple.

Austin 42:57
Yeah, it just and people just kind of go through because somebody in a white lab coat told you to do it. And that is the new that is the new. Like that’s the new Buddha. Right? Well, the doctor told me to do it. So I’ve just I have It’s the new religion. It’s the new Well, it’s, that’s how I get to heaven.

Jen 43:17
I think it’s more of the old because I really feel like biohacking comes more into the crease, we’re moving out of that kind of age and moving into something where we’re taking ownership of it. And we’re crossing the different fields of thought and energies and really breaking through.

Austin 43:34
Absolutely, yeah, it’s Yeah, it’s the old Buddha that many of the existing generations still view as kind of the last authority, the doctor said, but there’s more and more people absolutely. Crossing these lines, and taking responsibility for their own life, which is so good. Thank you internet.

David 43:52
It’s kind of Yeah, it’s fascinating and a little irritating. Also, though, that what we’re talking about in the the sense that there are people that that do take lab coats as deities, you know. And because I was thinking, you know, man, there’s, there’s a lot of a lot of, let’s just prescribe this drug, or let’s do this. And then people are like, okay, and they just take the drug without, you know, understanding side effects and whatever. And without thinking that there might be something better out there for for for things, you know. Yeah, sorry.

I can, I can talk about that a lot, mainly because of some mentalities that people I know have. And so, but yeah, it’s probably, it’s probably not a rabbit trail, you want to go on this.

Matt 44:54
Like, I know, I was essentially listening to a guy in a white coat. But as I was reading a book, Dr. Michael Colgan, he’s a Canadian doctor, I think he is primarily now I think he focuses on anti aging, and he looks amazing for his age. Back in the day, he worked with Olympic athletes on performance. And I was interested in and increasing my athletic performance. And I thought that, you know, I thought I was not enough. And so I was looking to make sure that I was maximizing every part of me make sure I wasn’t deficient in things. And it was funny. Like, I bought his books for nutrition guide, I think it was around around the turn of the millennium. And if you had gone into my barracks room, when I was in the Marine Corps, I literally had a tackle box that I filled with pills. And then, but it was like, it had three rows. So I knew when to take, I would fill it up. So like morning, lunch, evening, and then seven days a week, it was just, I was just trying to take everything that was built out this mentality that I am not enough. But if I do this, then I might be enough. I don’t wanna get too far into that. I know, we were going around the circle there and talk about things that we’ve things that were really working for us, the one thing maybe can go to you.

Jen 46:08
Oh, okay, um, well, I just kind of briefly talked about magnesium. And that’s really helped me a lot with my sleep patterns, sometimes I have a little bit of insomnia patterns. And so that’s helped me curve that as well as some minor depression as well as a menstrual cycle. So if that’s something that interests you, I definitely recommend trying some magnesium out. And then the other thing that I’ve worked on. And this is I think, where the art form comes in, where I actually had my blood work taken. And it turned out I had my liver was not fully functioning properly. And I was just told by the doctors to hey your numbers are kind of on the radar to be checking things out. But you know, we’ll come back in a couple months and try it out. And so I did a little googling, found out that milk thistle is a really natural herb, a good herb to address your liver. And so I did that, and they came back and did my bloods. And that was actually something that my blood work did come out. Sorry, normal. So that I think for me, that was kind of a really good indicator of, you know, I had the blood work drawn before and after and seeing the big, the big increase on that. So those are the two things that I kind of am working on, really, right now.

Matt 47:30
Right on, so, I mean, the magnesium kind of addresses a deficiency. And I think I may not know where everybody stands on, where nutrition, how its fairing in, in the modern agricultural system. Some people might say that,

Austin 47:44
what nutrition?

Matt 47:47
just, for example, the vitamins and minerals might not be as up to snuff as they once were right, when you’re taking soil and just, you know, making it pump out, you know, crop after crop, not giving it rest, but we’re throwing in fertilizer. So it’s still growing. I don’t know. But I mean, some people might say that, because of that, food’s not as nutritionally dense as it once was. And so naturally, even without that people are often on the border of having enough magnesium as is. And so one of the things that we do supplement regularly here in the household with is, is magnesium. So in the form of a magnesium lysinate, or magnesium glycinate, a well, chelated form, or even magnesium chloride in the form of a spray. Like those are before bed, those are great options. I mean, the only warning I would put on that oil

Jen 48:44
is that it does cause skin irritation. Well for some. So if you’re me or our children, it feels like your skin is like tickle-y, like it’s burning, not burning, but it’s it’s not a pleasant, you want to kind of rub it off and not do that again.

Austin 49:02
I think it’s worth mentioning, too, that not all supplements are created equal. Also OMG. Like, my wife is huge into some of the certain supplements, magnesium glycinate is one of them. She does like turmeric with the active ingredient, which is something I can’t remember right now. And like, you know, I take turmeric for inflammation, well, if it doesn’t have the right active ingredients, or if it’s not a quality turmeric, you’re just literally throwing money down the drain like, I think was it like you could take all the vitamin D in the world. But if you don’t get sunlight, it’s not going to be activated. Right Stuff like that. So knowing, you know, just taking something because you have a shortage doesn’t mean you’re getting it, right. Or because you’re taking the right one, if you’re taking a crappy ingredient or a cheap off-store brand. There’s a reason they’re cheap. You know?

Jen 49:55
Well, and I think the one thing that kind of, because we used to get magnesium and zinc all together. And those two, when you put them together, they actually fight against absorption for your body. So they compete for they compete, sorry, so there’s that piece, but then if you’re taking calcium as well as magnesium at the same time, or within 30 minutes, that’s also a competing factor. So if I’m drinking a glass of milk with my magnesium, then

Austin 50:21
Right. And then the active ingredient in turmeric is curcumin I just remembered that.

Jen 50:25

Matt 50:28
And that’s one of the reasons I brought up the form of magnesium. Because right there’s there’s a lot of different forms. And they you know, they all have varying degrees of usefulness. But if you want bio availability, if you want, you know, useful uptake, that’s, you make sure you’re getting the right kinds in. And I think another great example is vitamin E, a lot of vitamin E that people will get in a multivitamin is synthetic vitamin, vitamin E, and it’s not like it has a twist that is going to make it that’s like the opposite way of of the twist that your body’s gonna have a receptor for. And so yes, it’s technically vitamin E, but it’s not can be absorbed it can’t. So

Jen 51:08
Why do you think they do that? Is that just like a ploy to get more money? Or? Honestly, the manufacturers don’t understand how it works or

David 51:15
Why haven’t they been sued?

Matt 51:19
no oversight

Austin 51:21
Yeah. And I think one answer is a lot of science is still mechanic. You need vitamin E, here’s some vitamin E, right?

Matt 51:28
This this guy’s expensive to make. But this time this this is a synthetic and cheap. So we’ll get this in there.

Yeah, I mean for being industry that’s frame or like literally is all about biology and organic systems. The the allopathic method, largely put a mechanic system inside of inside of that world. And I think you still get a lot of supplements and a lot of companies that are like, oh, vitamin E is vitamin E is vitamin E, my petri dishes such as vitamin E. So it must be vitamin E really like it. So I think they’re starting to realize, yeah, this is significantly more organic and complicated than we realized.

David 52:09
I think. Yeah, and the funny thing here is like, there, there is a still so much to learn about the human body. Yes. And what people need to understand is that doctors and well like, say, for example, when we had our daughter, our first daughter, don’t give them peanut butter. It’ll make them allergic to it. With the last one that we had last year, the doctor was like, Oh, yeah, you can give them whatever you want to give them. Yeah, peanut butter. Yeah, it’s fine.

Christina 52:46
Yeah, it was pretty interesting. Seeing the difference.

Jen 52:50
what’s the difference between

David 52:52
the kid has peanut butter, and she’s gonna, you know, going to anaphalactic shock. But eight years later, oh, it’s fine. No problem. Yeah, give em whatever you want to give em. It’s fine.

Austin 53:04
I just watched a documentary on that. And they’re realizing that it’s dosing, it’s micro dosing. And it’s essentially like a vaccine. And they realized they were telling all the, all the parents not to give their kids peanut butter, and the peanut butter, the peanut allergy went through the roof. Because kids weren’t getting the, the, that part of their microbiome able to deal with it. And so now they do tell you, yeah, give them peanut butter. And that’s how they’re curing it too, is they’re doing dosing of, of peanuts, or dosing of, you know, you know, shelfish, shelfish, or whatever

David 53:39
The crazy thing here is like that we have people that we’re supposed to be trusting with our lives, that are learning things that are extremely contradictory to each other, within a span of 10 years.

Austin 53:59
The problem, I don’t mind that, but it’s how they present themselves as being a final authority.

David 54:04
That’s exactly what I’m getting to that, you know, your doctor is like, you can’t do this or take this and and, you know, they’re giving you they’re prescribing antibiotics for everything. Oh, you have a sore throat? Antibiotics. Really?

Jen 54:20
Well, we actually watched a video on why they are doing that because of like the fancy doctor.

Matt 54:27
Yeah, when people go into a doctor’s office, they expect to get treated. And so even if it’s not, yeah, even if it’s not something that’s gonna be treated by antibiotics, actually. Okay, I need antibiotics. Right? But But let’s see, in

David 54:38
the end, the thing is like, all these antibiotics are getting into our water sources. And we’re essentially contributing to all these superbugs. Because as we as we take antibiotics, as these bugs, take antibiotics and become immune to them, then they can live longer. And then we have to figure out okay, well, we need stronger antibiotics. It’s a vicious cycle there. And so, yeah, I don’t know.

Matt 55:07
There are so many things I want to talk about right now.

Jen 55:10
Is it about biohacking?

Matt 55:11
It is it is, I mean, just I’m a sore throat thing like this is this one small massage technique just has changed my life in the last few years. It was lymph node massage. You know, there’s, there’s plenty of videos on the internet. But like I was, I got to a point with the work that I was doing. I was doing a lot of high altitude depressurized flight. So my body was swelling a lot, unswelling, my sinuses were swelling, unswelling, and I was getting just constant sinus infections, like every other month, it seemed like it was a horrible way to live, I ended up quitting that job.

Jen 55:44
But isn’t that

Matt 55:45
right, but it was definitely not the that can keep me around like that. And just the act of working through understanding that the lymph node systems there to carry away waste waste products, and that you can kind of help clear traffic that might get blocked up every once in a while. Whenever I feel like I might have a sore throat coming on, now I just go to turn the lymph node massage, and nothing ever comes of it. Like I end up feeling fine. Like it was a fun, fun teaching point with our daughter just a month ago or so because she was fighting. She said it was boring. I was like, Hey, man, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And some can be well, So bottom line is that she didn’t do it. And then she ended up doing it a whole lot more over the coming month just to kind of get back on track. Right? It was, it was really good.

Christina 56:44
No, I was just gonna ask, Are you saying you do it randomly, periodically, not just when you’re feeling something?

Matt 56:49
No. So I mean, it’s preventative. So if I if I sneeze maybe more, more often than then I think I should. sneezing, like, my body’s trying to tell me something. So I’m just gonna go ahead and help make sure things are moving properly. Because when things you know, just like water, if it gets stagnant, that’s when things begin to grow and whatnot. Well, if your if your lymph fluid gets stagnant, that’s when things are going to start getting nasty. So help them move and clear out. And like I said, if I ever get a sore throat, I’ll go ahead and run through it, it takes you I can usually do it in, I can do a small amount of it in a couple in a minute. I can do a heavier mountain five minutes, if I’m if I’m just watching a show, hey, I’ve got all the time in the world to sit there and just love my face and my neck area, you know?

Christina 57:40

Austin 57:42
You know, again, awareness. Sure. To go Oh, if I sneeze more than I think I should? What? Like how many I’ve never paid attention to that I’m a pretty rare individual but mostly on a spiritual level. on a physical level mean we didn’t we already do the episodes, on like intentional presence. I’m paying more attention to my physical than I ever have in my in my life. And it is there’s a whole different type of awareness that, like I can see why people being as well as they are, are, you know, super fit. And super this is or that. You know, I think it’s very rare individual that can do that both physically and spiritually. But I want to be one of those. Yeah, but awareness is is stinking key man it is. You tend to be aware of your body speaking to you and all those different ways. That’s, that’s a big, big key.

Christina 58:37
Something that you said, made me think of this word that I learned when I was doing some of the research. It’s called orthorexia, which is an obsessive focus on quote, unquote, healthy eating, exaggerated fear of disease a sense of personal impurity, anxiety and shame if an individual violates self imposed dietary rules, and they increase dietary restrictions over time, and it was it was in information about nutragenics? Is that what it was? Yeah, nutragenetics, and nutrient, not whatever that word was that you said at the beginning, and apparently didn’t write that one down. But just, that’s, that’s something that is, I guess, easy to go from being self aware and going kind of overboard, and being really focused on it. And that’s anyway, so they came up with the word orthorexia for that, which I thought was kind of interesting.

Austin 59:35
Almost like they could do some energy work around their beliefs to hack the hack.

Matt 59:45
Right on, man there’s there is so much to talk about here. Like I mean, we haven’t even talked about heat or cold at all. I think Wim Hof. Right. Wim Hof has really, you know, kind of nailed down the market right now on cold exposure. You’re not familiar with Wim WIM Hof HOF and his method, the Wim Hof Method. My goodness, look into that, I mean, just the idea of taking a cold shower, which is not unique to Wim Hof, like so many people have talked about, advocated taking cold showers. And, and not be like, why like a nice warm shower in the morning or in the evening, wherever it is, it’s relaxing. And I totally understand that however, just even if you’re taking a portion of that shower, and making it making it cold, the the health benefits are there. They are tangible, they are documented, is so good for you. And I mean, even just a wake up in the morning, it really gets you going.

David 1:00:37
A question here in regards. Does the water have to be like how cold is water have to be does it doesn’t matter lower than body temperature? Or, you know, freezing? Or what?

Matt 1:00:49
I mean, so you’re looking for the colder the better. Typically, I mean, I know people have when I was in the Wim Hof group on Facebook before I got kicked,

Jen 1:00:56
You got kicked out…

Matt 1:01:02
I argued with the mod and I was like just kick me out. I don’t even care so he kicked me out.

Christina 1:01:02

Wow, sassy Matt.

Matt 1:01:09
Right. Anyways, it was fun to see some of the things that people would do in places where it was very hard to get cold water so people that were in Central America were like, taking like a strainer that you’d run your food through. And they would fill it with ice and then hang it over their. Their their showerhead to get cold water.

Christina 1:01:30
Great. Now David has that idea in his head. He takes cold showers a lot but he was saying I don’t think they’re cold enough

David 1:01:38
I don’t shower with warm water anymore. And the only thing is like you know here when it was winter, or it was the water was cold colder. Sure now is just kind of like you know, great

Matt 1:01:57
as it moves into summer, man, I’ve become so adjusted to this cold water.

David 1:02:02
Cold water shower.

Matt 1:02:05
It definitely is. I mean depending where you are in the in the world more fun, I think to to challenge yourself with the colder water like I know. Yeah, I did a I celebrated the Marine Corps birthday in the Columbia River. It was November went for like a three mile run. And the water was intense my feet got cold. It’s funny, I realized. I was like, man, one of my feet hurt so bad afterwards was like you just ran three miles barefoot dude, like, but I don’t know so there’s cold, which is super good for you. But then there’s heat too. I mean, like, when we moved here like one of the one of the things that I was like, we gotta get one of these I’ve wanted one of these forever that we bought a sauna, infrared sauna. And it was an amazing purchase. I love it, still use it. probably get it going tonight, just whereas cold exposure will help you build up brown adipose tissue, which is good for your body being able to use fat and convert it into heat. And saunas will help you produce heat shock proteins, and they have their own benefits. And I mean, just the idea of sitting in there, I can multitask so much in that sauna, I can I can have what I call Mystic Matt time, where I’m just creating my future.

Austin 1:03:25
woah woah woah, keep it G

Matt 1:03:30
know, I’m like, I’m imagining the life that I want to have. And just, you know, going into the details, what does my life look like? What does it feel like when I have that life? Or i or i can be listening to YouTube videos and reading stuff prepping for our next conversation on here. Whatever it is, I mean, I often stretch in there, make sure I work in my posture in there. You can do a lot in a heated box for an hour. So

Christina 1:03:57
An hour, oh my.

Matt 1:03:58
Well, I mean, it depends. I mean, I I just I try to spend at least 40 minutes in there. But sometimes, you know, I’m feeling really good. And I’ll go for an hour and 20 sometimes just know I usually go for less than 40.

Jen 1:04:10
No more.

Matt 1:04:12
Yeah, I think there’s like a threshold of at least like 20 minutes that you want to spend in one, but

Jen 1:04:17
You don’t really start sweating until after 20 minutes.

Matt 1:04:20
The thing with with infrared ones is that you’re not necessarily like it’s not like a traditional sauna where you’re waiting for the heat to cause you to sweat the infrared heaters are impacting you differently. They’re penetrating in a different in a different way. So you’re not necessarily waiting for the sweat. It’s another signal but it’s not necessarily the end goal.

Christina 1:04:43
There’s just so many things!

Matt 1:04:44
there are and it’s interesting too because I can see oftentimes I’ll bring in some salt water drink while I’m in there. And I can tell if I’ve if I go back to back nights I can tell like I went too long the previous night because my stamina to stay in there. It’s just gone. But if I make sure if I have plenty of you know, I have good electrolytes me Yeah, I’m ready to rock for a long time. But that cost me you know, the sauna cost money, but there’s lots of stuff that doesn’t cost my you can hack it. For example, I think one of my favorites right now is neurobics. And if you have an aerobics, like jazzercise, you know for your body, it’s like it’s like aerobics for your mind. So this is something you can have your kids do tonight, you can do it tonight. So maybe I usually brush my teeth with my right hand. Well, today I’m going to do with my left hand and standing on one foot. That’s an example of, of just causing your brain to run through reps that it wouldn’t normally get and stretch in a different way. You can walk through your house blindfolded, you can just engage your imagination, there’s so many ways to

Jen 1:05:45
Well I’m also wondering does crossing the midline activities and probably do the same effect.

Matt 1:05:51
What does that mean “crossing the midlines”.

Jen 1:05:52
So your two brain hemispheres are together, as we live life and whatnot, they start to separate so when you cross the midline is when you crossing the center of your brain so simple like taking your thumb and making a figure eight and holding it with your and watching it with your eyes. That connects your two brain hemispheres and connects them back together. So is that the same thing? Or is that kind of different?

Matt 1:06:16
It’s a good thing to do. I mean, that’s that’s demonstrably been shown to help kids, right, like that’s it?

Jen 1:06:24
Yes, yes. And that is a big age development thing, when with the younger kiddos. That’s why crawling is so important. As well as walking in a straight line forwards and backwards and, and whatnot and skipping because you’re crossing those the hemispheres of communication. So your left side talks to your right side and right side talks to your left side.

Matt 1:06:44

Christina 1:06:46
So you’re saying, Jen, sorry that those hemispheres separate as you get older, and that what that creates all sorts of issues with.

Jen 1:06:54
Yeah, I mean, like, we talked about that a little bit in Psych-K. But there’s also like the physical pieces of that where, I think at one point, there was a surgeon who’s like, I’m going to cut the, the fleshy part in between the two hemispheres and this person to see if that means it does anything for them. And he obviously agreed to it. And then the after effects is that he didn’t have body communication with those left and right, because that the fleshy material, keeping your brain hemispheres together, has a job has purpose. And so that kind of plays into our beliefs, as well as emotions when it comes to those kind of things. And I’m sure Austin has some things to talk on with that.

Austin 1:07:39
Yeah, I mean, we, I think, are we going to do an episode on energy work? So if that

Christina 1:07:43
Yeah makes sense

Austin 1:07:45
Not to belabor it, but yeah, I mean, as far as the whole brain, reality of your, of your physical brain and how it actually opens up an energetic channel, to your heart, actually, like how Tony Robbins, actually, he has a exercise where he’ll talk about, like, you know, let’s say you’ve got this decision, this really difficult decision you’ve been hesitating to make. And, you know, you don’t know what to do. And then he actually leads you through like this, where you put your hand on your heart, and you close your eyes, and you actually start feeling your heartbeat. And he leads you through, you know, there’s music background, you know, just think about your heart, this faithful heart has always been there, you know, beating so many times a second so many times a week. It’s never failed you all the stuff you’ve put through it, all the stuff you’ve done to it, all the stuff that it’s been with you. And his whole point is, is to get your brain thinking about your heart. And what happens is, is that as you actually connect to your heart, physically, and mentally, the brainwaves and the heart waves begin to match. And, as opposed to, like, typically your brainwaves are one thing, EKG, and EEG Yeah, that’s right? that the waves are different. But when you do this exercise, they get in sync. And now, and then he’ll do the exercises and say now, what do you what do you what decision do you believe you should make and it’s your brain’s able to get in touch with what your heart knows. And then you get beliefs and emotions and all that. And there’s a reason that that works. But yeah, the that getting your brain in sync with itself and then getting your brain and opening up the line of communication with your heart. Brain Gym, I believe is, came up with something that was the whole brain posture. And that is it uses and Psych-K uses that. And you know, you cross your arms at the wrist and your feet at the ankles. And there’s, you know, in many ways, there’s not there’s there’s not a right or wrong way to cross. But if you want to improve performance, you can actually muscle test, you know which arms should be on top, which legs should be on top type of thing. You one of the things I’ll do if I’m stressed, or I’m not sure what to do, or me like, I’ll just sit in whole brain posture at a restaurant anywhere like frickin cross my ankles, cross my wrists, and just kind of sit there and talk. And what you’re doing is, is actually opening up the energetic channel between your heart and your brain. And your cost you’re crossing. As you said, Jen, you’re actually crossing the midline to where your right side is crossing with your left. So it’s not only connecting your left and right brain, but it’s also then connecting your brain with your heart. So there’s a little bit there.

Jen 1:10:34
Can we go back who was the video from the heart and the brain?

Austin 1:10:39
Tony Robbins, he does an exercise on it. And this, I love it, I’ve used it a few things.

Matt 1:10:49
Well, we’re going kind of long here. So maybe it’s time to go around the circle, and maybe just get in something that you can at least you know, direct somebody towards something, or give your opinion. Okay, go for.

Jen 1:11:03
I think at the end of the day, the more you can know yourself in your goals, the farther you’re going to take yourself, I we spent a lot of time tonight, or today sharing what we’ve experienced and what we’re studying and what works for us. Take it and use it to the best of your abilities, but also be true to yourself and who you are, and connect something that’s meaningful for you.

David 1:11:34
Yeah, I know, it sounds like there is a crap ton of stuff to do. And and I was feeling a little bit a little bit hopeless today. I was just like, oh my word, there’s so much stuff to do, and where do you start and whatever, but just pick one thing, and just do one thing and start from there. I mean, one step at a time, don’t don’t try to run before you can walk, or even stand. And so um, I know there’s there are some things that I’m planning on incorporating into my routine, and I’m not planning on incorporating everything right away. So but yeah, and actually, in the same vein, what would you suggest one thing, Matt, what’s the easiest thing that you would that you would say you would suggest, hey, you know, if you if you do something do this?

in the modern society we live in now get a blue blocker for your phone, whether it’s an app that is going to filter out the blue light, or for your laptop, you can, you know, I know Windows for sure has a mode that you can go and put it into evening mode, and it just takes the blue light out, it’s like a red filter. So everything has a reddish tint to it. But having that getting rid of that that light frequency, you know, for for, you know, thousands of years, we were guided by the the rising and the setting of the sun. That’s that was our that was our alarm clock in the morning. Now we have you know, I guess unless when you were one of those rich people that had candles, now, you know, we have lights all around us all the time, especially, you know, carrying in our pockets. And that light, it can just destroy your sleep at night. Like I think one of the tools I have invested in is called an aura ring. And it’s got sensors on the side that basically it can track my brainwaves at night, it can tell me how much REM sleep I’m getting, how much deep sleep I’m getting. It tracks how long I’ve slept, where there were, you know, the tracks, my heart rate, and all that kind of heart rate variability, all sorts of things. So that in the morning, it can tell me what my sleep was like, and what my readiness for that day is like and what kind of activity it recommends. And while that might sound like a bit overboard, the big takeaway is I can tell like, okay, I did this stuff last night, and my deep sleep, the deeper store of sleep suffered because of it. Okay, maybe I shouldn’t drink alcohol before bedtime. Maybe I shouldn’t be watching a TV show to fall asleep to or maybe my REM sleep suffered. So maybe it was you know, eating too close bedtime. I don’t know, whatever. And the cool thing is, you can see trends develop over time with something like tool like this. I liked it because it was a multitasking tool. I lost my wedding ring a long time ago in a river on a float. And so I needed another one. And this kind of fit the bill. So cheap, easy app, that blocks the blue light on your phone after a certain time that you set would be an easy one because I talked about you know to open up major in the majors minor in the minors. If you’re not getting the quality sleep, it affects your whole life. So if you’re not getting the quantity or the quality, that’s that’s a big deal. And then the other half of that coin is what are you eating? And when are you eating? You know, I probably mentioned somewhere you know how much I changed my diet almost, you know. So today it’s it’s May right now, almost Memorial Day weekend, Memorial Day weekend, last year, I changed my diet, I went to intermittent fasting went to the keto diet. I’ve stuck with intermittent fasting. I’ve done seasonal keto. But I had knee pain for 14 years. Doctor, I went to so many doctors for this, that physical therapy, insoles, all sorts of things. You know, I was throwing suggestions at the doctors and like oh, it’s a good idea to try that… changing what I ate. And when I ate it. I have no more I haven’t had any pain in the last year. And I my activity has been able to soar. I went from having to ice my knees if I went up and down the stairs a couple extra times in a day to running stadium steps with my kids all summer. And I’m looking forward to it again this summer. You know, I went from you know, I was coaching, to you know, to hurt to bend down to demonstrate something to you know, I’m officiating games where I’m in a crouching stance for like two hours now. So changing what I ate, and when I ate it transformed my life. So majoring in the majors, those those two are huge what you eat, and what how you sleep.

Austin 1:16:23
Yeah, that’s good. I’d say for me, my main, my you know, how many people listening to this podcast, have just gotten used to some sort of pain, some sort of thing. And at some point, you have to you have to give yourself permission to kind of re engage a desire for a better way of life. And I it’s I’ve talked a lot I keep kind of hitting on awareness, but also intent, right? Because, yeah, I’ve just had just had this pain my whole life, well do you want to keep it? Like, you know, is because we because the guy in the white lab coat, told you, you’re going to have it your whole life. I mean Matt’s knee pain for 14 years, is that true? It’s not true. Your body knows how to how to build a healthy body, it did it once before. And they’re finding you know, even even down to like, there’s ways to regrow teeth now, like, oh, nobody will get one set of teeth, that that’s actually not true. And, and the activation of, of the things that your body knows how to do. So if you’ve kind of gotten used to this thing, whatever it is, I’m used to the neck pain, I’m used to the knee pain, I’m used to the whatever, you know, reignite your intention and and see if you can’t actually go address it. And I think biohacking in this in this discussion has a lot of potential solutions that you may not have even known existed. So.

Christina 1:17:58
Totally, I that’s kind of along the lines of what I was going to mention is just as I was doing some research and watched a video of a guy who was doing some experiments on himself in a very in a very empowered way. And it made me think how the people who follow this way of thinking or the desire to improve, other than what I mentioned earlier with the orthorexia going overboard. Other than that, they’re people who are thinking not thinking of themselves in a victim sort of way, not being subject to the way that their body is currently. And it’s very, it’s a very empowering thing. And I think it’s a pretty cool outlook. It’s a hopeful outlook, which is something that we’re very into with Epoch. And then also to go off of what Matt was talking about earlier with the changing up your habitual ways of doing things like switching arm switching hands for brushing teeth, and stuff like that, a quote from the guy who created Bulletproof Coffee, the brand says “Put yourself in uncomfortable situations to lower your expectations and raise your tolerance.” Um, I guess yeah, I think that I’ll put more context in my article, but the concept that we get too comfortable. And we we can’t handle stuff in general. Um, so But yeah, that was that was basically he was saying the same thing as what Matt was saying, essentially was a trick change up your the way that your brain is handling information. And it has a powerful impact on all sorts of things, I guess. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t personally, I don’t feel like I’ve done much of anything with biohacking to this point, other than trying to get decent sleep. But I don’t even have the thing on my phone. I’ve thought about it a couple times, but the light blocker so I guess I’ll I’ll do that today.

Matt 1:20:19
It’s I think it’s interesting, the idea of like, people will say, Well, I’m not I’m not I’m not growing… give yourself a reason to, to grow. Like if, if you’re spiritually not growing Well, as you know, if you’re physically and mentally not growing, there’s, there’s a reason it’s because you put yourself in a in a box and you’re comfortable in the box. So there’s no reason to grow because you’re already in the place that you feel like you need to be. But if you you know, give yourself a place to aim for, then it’s not where you’re at, then you have to change to get there you have to grow to get there.

Christina 1:20:54
It’s nice to not wait for a situation where you’re forced into it in a painful way

Austin 1:21:03
and then when those do show up, if you’re used to it, you can handle that much better.

Christina 1:21:06
That’s That’s true.

Matt 1:21:11
Um, I guess the only thing I would finish up with is to say that I wrote an article about biohacking to start off the new year. And I will link to that in my article for this week. And my thing is I’ll get together with Tina and get some some links to products that I I’ve found to be ideal and well researched and well rated and reviewed. You know, some things are like this guy here colostrum be like you take colostrum? And

Jen 1:21:42
What’s colostrum?

Matt 1:21:44
Colostrum is like the first mother’s milk.

Jen 1:21:47
I knew that but I wanted to hear it

Christina 1:21:48
Where you get that from, Matt?

Matt 1:21:51
One is bovine. So it’s not like I hit up the ladies on the street. But um I was taking it for growth hormones. I was like for the knee stuff, I was like I need to find every way that I can to maximize growth hormone. So I designed my diet for more growth hormone, I designed my workouts for more growth hormone. Intermittent fasting was for more growth hormone. And voila gave my joints the growth hormone they needed and they fixed themselves after over a decade. So um, yeah, so I’ll have the article here that talks about supplements that are super cool and practices that are free to do because hacking doesn’t have to be expensive. It can be a free app or a free exercise that you do, or can be, you know, taking things you know, diving into those minors and finding the things that will make a little bit difference for an area that you really care about and, and get those links to Tina, so we can get those products on the page.

Jen 1:22:51
What page?

Matt 1:22:52
Well it’ll be a page at and be the one where you can find all the extras that that Tina puts into the I guess the the podcast episode.

Jen 1:23:06
She’s so fabulous

Matt 1:23:07
She is, she’s the best.

Austin 1:23:09

Christina 1:23:12
Oh, that reminds me, we have a bunch of stuff over on our Patreon page. There’s all sorts of behind the scenes and outtakes and Matt and Austin shenanigans and juvenile jokes and if you like that kind of thing

Austin 1:23:27
or dad jokes.

Christina 1:23:28
Or dad jokes.

Austin 1:23:29
There’s dad jokes

Christina 1:23:30
There’s a lot more juvenile ones than dad ones but

Austin 1:23:33
Well that’s Matt

Christina 1:23:33
Who’s the one that has that catchphrase the most what’s like what’s your catches?

Austin 1:23:41
That’s what she said?

Christina 1:23:42
Oh no, there’s another one. Less “G” and when you said “keep it G” I was like I don’t think our episodes have ever been “G” and let’s just say that the outtakes are not either. But there’s some funny ones. So if you want to check it out over there Well, anyway, we’ll put it in the episode.

Jen 1:24:06

Matt 1:24:08
All right. So treat yourself to outtakes and some new biohacking techniques and, and supplements and this has been a primer. This isn’t the whole conversation, just something to get you get you going on. So thanks for joining us this week, and we’ll catch you again next week.

Austin 1:24:30

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